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Aaron Williamson@copiesofcopies@social.coop (2026-10-16 22:37:48)
@bkuhn @cwebber 

I expect the world looks very different from where you’re sitting than from where I am. Every time I look at my (FOSS-heavy) fedi feed, I’m struck by the contrast between the AI pessimism & skepticism here versus everywhere else I look.

LLMs have become part of everyday life for vast swaths of ordinary people. Skilled software developers routinely use them to produce code that’s far from slop. And probably most importantly, the AI industry is widely viewed as the most significant driver of U.S. economic growth and competitive advantage going right now.

All of those things surely sound negative to you, but they’re descriptively true. And against that backdrop, I see very little possibility that US courts will cut OpenAI et al off at the knees, even though we’ll surely see adverse rulings in cases of obvious misappropriation (Anthropic’s trove of pirated books, Sora reproducing entire songs from its training data).
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Bradley M. Kühn@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org (2026-10-17 07:43:57)
@copiesofcopies 

We are more in agreement than you realize:

I guess now is a good as time as any to “come out”: I'm using #Anthropic's #Claude on a regular basis to help me figure out what types of policies we should set for reasonable & ethical use of #LLMGenAI in #FOSS, & also to actually improve FOSS codebases.

I believe it is reasonable to use proprietary technologies as long as our eyes remain on the prize of defeating those technologies.

@cwebber, I suspect, doesn't agree.

#LLM #AI

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Christine Lemmer-Webber@cwebber@social.coop (2026-10-18 00:22:23)
@bkuhn @copiesofcopies While I appreciate being forthcoming, you are correct, I don't agree with feeding the torment nexus to defeat the torment nexus. I think using Claude is just helping them build more torment nexus, while normalize a situation that puts us in a legally dubious situation where we were previously relatively legally strong, and eroding community trust and shared understanding in the process.

Joe Brockmeier@jzb@hachyderm.io (2026-10-19 05:38:22)
@bkuhn I'm kinda gobsmacked by this TBH. I agree that it is reasonable to use proprietary tech to build non-proprietary, etc. (of course) but I've always known you to have a pretty high bar against using proprietary tech.

All other considerations aside - and that's a lot of considerations - ISTM that there's nothing Claude offers that you can't do with your brain, though slower. 

And Anthropic's moral compass is... um, lacking. It makes some of the late 90s and early 2000s tech shenanigans almost seem quaint. 

This kinda broke my brain, really. I wouldn't have been shocked to hear that you'd tinkered with Claude just to see whether its output was violating licenses, etc. But kinda shocked to find you'd actually use its output in a codebase. 

@copiesofcopies @cwebber