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Reply to @jrp@hub.kliklak.net
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:58:16)
@jrp translation is valuable for reading parts of the web that aren't in a language you can understand. Tab group naming means you can select a bunch of tabs and the model tries to come up with a decent name. Generated alt text helps improve the accessibility of PDF documents.
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
*_jayrope@jrp@hub.kliklak.net (2026-02-03 07:48:14)
@Firefox for Web Developers Sorry, but i haven't seen any detailed explanation in your update notes, what exactly AI should be good for. Nor did you supply easy ways to just switch it off in the first place. Users have to all communicate existing options between themselves, and in unofficial ways. Just be more transparent on what exactly you need new inventions for. Because users were fine with Firefox at least 10 years ago already.
Reply to @rysiek@mstdn.social
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:44:34)
@rysiek Sad to see you go. Fwiw, LibreWolf has translation very similar to Firefox's, which most users consider to be AI.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦@rysiek@mstdn.social (2026-02-03 07:41:56)
RE: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/116002119945073671
Good move. But too little too late, I'm already on LibreWolf.
This is the first time I switched to a different browser as my daily driver since I switched to Firefox 1.0. And I did this specifically because all the shady AI stuff Mozilla keeps insisting on doing.
In the words of Mozilla's CEO:
> Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/
Do not want.
Reply to @ArneBab@rollenspiel.social
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:33:46)
@ArneBab @vex @dveditz now you're just trying to make me feel better
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
ArneBab@ArneBab@rollenspiel.social (2026-02-03 07:31:13)
@firefoxwebdevs 23:31 here … @vex @dveditz
Reply to @iam@ernestoacosta.org
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:30:11)
@iam @alternativeto That's the thing about choice, 'nope' is an option.
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:29:46)
@ArneBab @vex @dveditz haha yeah it's 22:30 here. Sigh.
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
Ernesto Acosta 🗯️@iam@ernestoacosta.org (2026-02-03 07:29:30)
@firefoxwebdevs @alternativeto Nope, thanks.
Rikuoh Tsujitani@riq0h@letter.mystech.ink (2026-02-03 07:25:38)
今日がなんの日か知っているか……？ そう、太巻きをお腹いっぱいに食べる日である( ・_・ )
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
Jakub Klawiter :mastodon:@wariat@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:12:34)
@firefoxwebdevs
Better late than even later… thank you!
Reply to @silverpill@mitra.social
Astro@astro@c3d2.social (2026-02-03 07:11:55)
@silverpill It should.
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
Oberst Enzian@oberstenzian@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:06:01)
@firefoxwebdevs Sounds great. Fuck your browser.
Reply to @vex@kolektiva.social
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:04:01)
@vex @sarah if there a particular AI feature/flow that you feel bypasses consent?
Models are downloaded after the user indicates they want the feature.
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:02:57)
@ArneBab @vex @dveditz I found our discussion here reasonable, fwiw. I appreciated your viewpoints here, even if I didn't agree with all of them.
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
Noa@vex@kolektiva.social (2026-02-03 07:01:53)
@firefoxwebdevs @sarah the fact that this is the best you can do with a technology designed from the ground up to ignore/bypass consent, is exactly what's pissing everyone off.
The very fact that this technology is being implemented directly into the browser telegraphs the intention to not keep that promise.
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 07:01:51)
@ArneBab people indicated pretty strongly that they wanted a way to block AI, but re-enable particular features https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746.
It used to be referred to as a 'kill switch', which is much stronger wording, and a lot of folks wanted that wording (see the replies https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115740500373677782). But I think "block" is a reasonable middle ground. I understand that you don't.
Reply to @condret@fedi.absturztau.be
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 06:57:01)
@condret @mike our translation, tab naming, and link preview features all use local models.
The AI sidebar doesn't, but I'm assuming that's obvious as you select a third-party service to use.
Reply to @viralobscurity@mstdn.social
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 06:55:54)
@viralobscurity both Librewolf and Vivaldi have built-in translation, which people overwhelmingly consider to be AI (https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746). Vivaldi even sends the text to a server for translation.
Your choice is your own, but we are up-front about the AI features we have.
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
Viral Obscurity@viralobscurity@mstdn.social (2026-02-03 06:47:39)
@firefoxwebdevs I'll be switching remaining friends and family members over to Librewolf and/or Vivaldi before this update drops
AI in the browser is a disaster waiting to happen and it's sad to see Mozilla think so little of its users opinions
Reply to @mike@sauropods.win
condret :verified: :ancom: @condret@fedi.absturztau.be (2026-02-03 06:46:28)
@mike @firefoxwebdevs i want ai, that only runs locally
17lifers@17lifers@hollow.raccoon.quest (2026-02-03 06:02:42)
#hatsunemiku #vocaloid #ミク #初音ミク https://safebooru.donmai.us/posts/10714873 - sleeping sakura miku! 🌸💤
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
mausmalone@mausmalone@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 05:39:19)
@firefoxwebdevs I mean ... as much as I appreciate the transparency for the sort of people who follow release notes and developer channels, the whole idea of putting this is a user-friendly and straightforward settings page is to help the un-tech-savvy users who don't.
Like, both my wife and my kid use Firefox and they're NEVER gonna read a release note.
Reply to @silverpill@mitra.social
silverpill@silverpill@mitra.social (2026-02-03 04:56:31)
@astro I announced a tagged post to a hashtag actor, the response was 202. Not sure how to verify, though. Does FediBuzz distribute posts back to the originating instance?
Reply to @raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 04:33:08)
@raymaccarthy @plwt a lot of people find things like translation a valuable part of the platform, and makes the web more accessible - including me.
I personally think opening up more of the web via translation is a important feature to have in the browser.
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
Ray McCarthy@raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie (2026-02-03 04:31:03)
@firefoxwebdevs @plwt
What Vivaldi says or does is irrelevant.
Mozilla did a stupid survey that didn't actually ask if people wanted AI or ML at all.
Most people just want a browser. No need for an AI off switch as there is no reason to have ANY ML or AI of ANY kind in the first place.
Mozilla by any sane metric has been making Thunderbird and Firefox worse for years. I used them practically from release on XP till 2016.
I used Waterfox with Classic Theme restorer for a while after GUI bork.
Reply to @raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 04:24:35)
@raymaccarthy @plwt it's easy to say you don't have AI if you define it so it doesn't include features you have.
Folks consider translation to be generative AI https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 04:21:51)
@sarah I'm not sure what we can do to convince you other than hold the promise over time.
Reply to @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
Ray McCarthy@raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie (2026-02-03 04:21:29)
@firefoxwebdevs @plwt
I've not used Vivaldi since last year:
https://www.qwant.com/?q=Vivaldi+AI&client=plgn-firefox-sb&t=web
They claim to not have AI.
I use copy / paste to https://libretranslate.com/ if I need translation.
There is no Cloud. Only other people's servers!
Reply to @ar_do@mstdn.social
Firefox for Web Developers@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social (2026-02-03 04:20:30)
@ar_do personally, I agree, but we'd have been accused of sneaking AI in if we didn't https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746
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