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KOBA789@koba789@misskey.io (2026-06-14 23:10:35)
お、近所にチャリ屋できてる。今度行ってみよう
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silverpill@silverpill@mitra.social (2026-06-14 23:09:40)
@phnt @mariusor I am okay with this option https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-5624-per-object-reply-control-policies/2723/65

But the subtype is not always determined by object. Sometimes it's target or another property. Nowadays my preference is 1.
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Gregory@grishka@mastodon.social (2026-06-14 23:01:49)
@dansup I'm more of a cat person but I'm allergic to cats and I'm not sure I want to bear that responsibility
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julian@julian@activitypub.space (2026-06-14 23:01:10)
I'd argue that #2 (more efficient processing) is not the case, and is highly dependent on implementation.


@silverpill@mitra.social @raphael@mastodon.communick.com
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Michael 🇺🇦@heluecht@pirati.ca (2026-06-14 22:59:36)
@marquito Ja, das Kosten-/Nutzen-Verhältnis ist tatsächlich fraglich. Soweit ich weiß, machen die Dienste sogar bei den Bezahlaccounts Verlust.
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marius@mariusor@metalhead.club (2026-06-14 22:59:23)
@silverpill hypothetically the last one is the one I find the most consistent with the way I interpreted the Activity vocabulary spec, and the way I implemented the ActivityPub processing state machine.
:onmyou:‮:vc:‭Charlie Root‬@relay@mastodon.hakurei.win (2026-06-14 22:57:20)
RE: https://mastodon.hakurei.win/@relay/116748607971990982

ちなみにこれメディアプレイヤーでMIDI聴いてるけどちゃんと鳴ってる
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Phantasm@phnt@fluffytail.org (2026-06-14 22:55:03)
@silverpill @mariusor 2
佐々木/네코가와@nounashi7298@social.nekokawa.net (2026-06-14 22:55:00)
Twitterには基本的に肯定的な意見しか流してない
みんな嫌なもの見たくないだろうし
Reply to @heluecht@pirati.ca
Marquito@marquito@mastodon.social (2026-06-14 22:48:43)
@heluecht 

Ja, ich denke auch, dass es durchaus sinnvolle Anwendungen gibt. Rezepte/Kochen wollte ich tatsächlich auch mal ausprobieren.

Aber egal, was man macht, irgendwie fühlt es sich nicht so an, als ob man da irgendwie entscheidend weiter gekommen ist. Ob ich nun Google oder ChatGPT als erstes bei einer Recherche frage....

Und es rechtfertigt auch keine hunderte Milliarden an Dollar Investitionen in RZ-Infrastrukturen, damit ich ein Rezept für Apfelkuchen bekomme.
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Michael 🇺🇦@heluecht@pirati.ca (2026-06-14 22:41:58)
@marquito Ich würde den Systemen nie bei einer Analyse trauen. Was aber klappt, das ist die Basis-Recherche mit anschließender klassischer Verifikation. Ich habe es häufiger, dass ich Dinge suche, die sich nicht so einfach in Suchbegriffe formen lassen. Da hilft es dann schon mal. Natürlich prüfe ich dann anschließend das Ergebnis.

Ich nutze es auch gerne zum Kochen. Natürlich muss man auch da seinen Kopf einschalten, aber das Ergebnis lässt sich durchaus sehen.
Reply to @grishka@mastodon.social
dansup@dansup@mastodon.social (2026-06-14 22:40:49)
@grishka but that's exactly the point I was trying to make, algorithms can be dangerous yeah, but like I said, Loops has a fixed recommendation feed limit that resets daily, preventing doomscrolling.

We're both right, but it's not really fair to compare Loops to TikTok as they have way more dark patterns and an algorithm that is more addictive.

Also, random question, but have you considered getting a dog?
Reply to @silverpill@mitra.social
silverpill@silverpill@mitra.social (2026-06-14 22:39:14)
@mariusor What kind of side-effect hint would you prefer?

1.  Specialized activity name

{
  "type": "AcceptFeatureRequest"
  "object": "https://social.example/request"
}

2.  Additional property

{
  "type": "Accept",
  "object": "https://social.example/request",
  "objectType": "FeatureRequest"
}

3.  Embedded object (possibly partial):

{
  "type": "Accept",
  "object": {
    "id": "https://social.example/request",
    "type": "FeatureRequest"
  }
}
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Gregory@grishka@mastodon.social (2026-06-14 22:34:26)
@dansup well, if you have free easy access to a buffet all day every day with no limitations whatsoever, and you lack self-control, which kids often do, I'm sure you will develop an eating disorder
Reply to @raphael@mastodon.communick.com
silverpill@silverpill@mitra.social (2026-06-14 22:32:43)
@raphael @phnt In a way, yes. My personal preferences:

1)  self-describing objects (better DX)
2)  more efficient processing
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silverpill@silverpill@mitra.social (2026-06-14 22:28:58)
@mariusor Activity type is not the only meaningful information about the side-effect, but in many cases a custom type could help with the identification.
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@stux@mstdn.social (2026-06-14 20:38:14)
:nkoWave: Hello and a good meowing everyone! :blobcathearts: :blobcatsnuggle:  Have a most wonderful lazy Sunday and stay safe 😸♥️
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Raphael Lullis@raphael@mastodon.communick.com (2026-06-14 22:25:29)
@silverpill @phnt 

So doesn't it mean that, in practice, your objection to the FEP is purely about your personal preference?
Reply to @grishka@mastodon.social
dansup@dansup@mastodon.social (2026-06-14 22:24:38)
@grishka that has nothing to do with the medium, buffets serve a lot of food, all you can eat, but that doesn't mean you will develop an eating disorder by simply visiting one. It's way more complicated than that, but I wanted to simplify it.
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Gregory@grishka@mastodon.social (2026-06-14 22:23:08)
@dansup I have to disagree here. The medium does not matter, yes. Our generation watched a lot of TV as kids and it didn't make us worse either.

But TikTok, reels and shorts are different. They are served by an algorithm that adapts to the viewer instead of being authored for a general audience. It's designed to make you, personally, stay engaged as long as possible. It's called brainrot for a reason. You need self-control to consume this kind of content responsibly.
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silverpill@silverpill@mitra.social (2026-06-14 22:20:47)
@raphael @phnt I don't think there is a difference.
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marius@mariusor@metalhead.club (2026-06-14 22:18:50)
@silverpill wrong about thinking that the activity type is the only meaningful information about the side-effect of its reception. 

The official specification already has a case where Create/Delete have slightly different logic based on their objects:

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#h-motivations-crud

vs. 

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#h-motivations-relationships

PS. I'm not defending the Mastodon FEP, but clarifying that the underlying assumption of using existing vocabulary for what is basically the same operation, be it on different object types, makes sense.
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silverpill@silverpill@mitra.social (2026-06-14 22:18:42)
@phnt

You ideally should verify that AcceptFeatured refers to the type of the Object as expected, effectively doing the same thing anyway.

It is not the same thing because you skip one expensive operation: determining the subtype of activity.

You also need to add that as a supported type to your Acccept/Reject validator since they are basically the same, you have to modify your activity builder, if you have one, to create these new types if you wish to support creation and not just ingestion.

Is that a problem? I already have different parsers and different builders for different activities.

The same argument can be made about Create/Update Activities which operate on a bunch of Object types. CreateNote/UpdateNote/UpdateActor/... doesn't make sense in my head as well.

Create and Update have an embedded object, so they do not require specialized names.
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:onmyou:‮:vc:‭Charlie Root‬@relay@mastodon.hakurei.win (2026-06-14 22:15:32)
バージョン3.95と表示される理由:
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040213-00/?p=40633
Reply to @marquito@mastodon.social
Marquito@marquito@mastodon.social (2026-06-14 22:12:39)
Kurzes Fazit dazu:

Zumindest bei den frei verfügbaren #KI Modellen kann man solchen Analysen nach wie vor nicht trauen. Zu viele Fehler, die man nur mit entsprechendem Know-How erkennt, die aber auf den ersten Blick logisch klingen.

Außerdem stellt sich nach wie vor die Frage nach einer sinnvollen Anwedung für die breite Masse, wenn es um KI geht, wenn nichtmal simple Recherche funktioniert.

Aktuell gilt immer noch: Recherchiert und denkt lieber selber.
 
#ai #chatgpt #mistral #lumo
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:onmyou:‮:vc:‭Charlie Root‬@relay@mastodon.hakurei.win (2026-06-14 22:09:56)
こっちはWindows 3.0のやつ
Wineで遡れるのは3.0まで
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dansup@dansup@mastodon.social (2026-06-14 22:09:28)
1451 AD: "reading is destroying our children, stop them from using books"

2026 AD: "video is destroying our children, stop them from using apps"

the medium changes. the panic never does. 🚀
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silverpill@silverpill@mitra.social (2026-06-14 22:07:12)
@mariusor Wrong about what, using different names for different things?

Only a few activities from Activity vocabulary work well with any type of object. For example Create and Update.
:onmyou:‮:vc:‭Charlie Root‬@relay@mastodon.hakurei.win (2026-06-14 22:06:22)
Windows 3.1の色々 on Wine
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Raphael Lullis@raphael@mastodon.communick.com (2026-06-14 22:01:45)
@silverpill @phnt 

What is the practical difference between having to agree on the meaning of  "Type + verb" vs "VerbType"?
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